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Delete Submitted on: May 14, 2007 10:00:29 AM EST
Name: Lost the faith
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Comments: Is the vladika trying to avoid questions from the Cabramatta people re the criminals in the uprava and his letter regarding this? Is so, how long does he intend to do this (till we forget about this?) and when will cabra be put back on his touring list? I'll quote a good old aussie saying "We've been ripped off" not only by our priests but also our vladika. Shame shame shame.
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Delete Submitted on: May 13, 2007 5:34:23 PM EST
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Comments: The missing cloths is just an excuse, so Bishop dose not have to visit kabramata church
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Delete Submitted on: May 13, 2007 12:37:31 AM EST
Name: Cika Sam
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Comments: Those theives that “stole emperoros clothes” think they are really smart and that they are going to take us all for a ride! Methinks not! They have just created an alibi so that the new Bishop will have to resort to wearing his old frock, with the regulation white collar and tweed suit: that he used to wear as a pastor/representative of the Ecumenical Churches Together movement in USA, just before he was ordained a Bishop of the SOC! Anyone making a collection for new outfits? I’d suggest collecting for a Serbian Orthodox Catechism for a catechumen!
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Delete Submitted on: May 12, 2007 11:38:10 PM EST
Name: Mane
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Comments: IT IS CLEAR EVEN TO THE KIDS, WHO WON’T NEED TO ATTEND THE KINDERGARDEN AT COLLEGE “ST SAVA”, THAT BEFORE THE LOAN COMES DUE TO BE PAID IN 2009, THE FEDERALISTS SHALL SELL THE MONASTERY NEAR CANBERRA AND HAVE CASH TO SPARE, TO PAY FOR A FEW YEARS OF DIRECTORS WAGES AND JUNKET TRIPS ABROAD!
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Delete Submitted on: May 12, 2007 1:25:47 AM EST
Name: Ma ne
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Comments: JANKO, jel' ti to velis vladici i popovima?
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Delete Submitted on: May 11, 2007 7:47:43 PM EST
Name: Janko
Where do you live? Liverpool
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Comments: Zasto bre serete protiv crkve, koji vam je.
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Delete Submitted on: May 11, 2007 9:56:28 AM EST
Name: Lost the faith
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Comments: Dear believer, where in any scripture does it say that our priests and bishops behave the way they do?? I once had such respect for these people who i believed had given their life to God Almighty. However, we all need to get real and realise that it is just a business or job like any other. Money is the motivator, not God.
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Delete Submitted on: May 11, 2007 8:18:48 AM EST
Name: A believer in the original new testament church
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Comments: Perhaps someone can assist me... where in the Scriptures does it say we need ANY bishops???? Perhaps we'd all be better served if they'd all "Get thee to a monastery." and spend their days meditating on their collective navels...
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Delete Submitted on: May 11, 2007 12:01:41 AM EST
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Comments: Kad svi koji govore Srbski nisu za Ljotica!
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Delete Submitted on: May 10, 2007 7:49:02 PM EST
Name: Over governed
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Comments: Now here's an interting fact - has anyone noticed the number of Bishops the SOC has? 39 Bishops for a total worldwide population of say 12 Million Serbs. Now - look at the Russian Church - 160 Bishops for a worldwide population of rough 145 Million.... so the russian has basically 1 Bishop per 900000 and Serbs 1 Bishop per 300000. talk about being over governed.. we dont need thata many Bishops - 14 Maximum would be enough. see the thing is that there are 2 warring factions in SOC - Lavrentije appoints his own cronies and Irinej ( not ours) appoints his as well. Its a purepy stack the numbers game fro the position of Patriarch. Whoever has the biggest numbers will be the next Patriarch..
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Delete Submitted on: May 10, 2007 6:06:04 PM EST
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Comments: Ne znam koliko nam je pametno da se svadjamo preko interneta i pokazujemo celom sveta kakvi smo. Zar nije dosta to sto svi sire propagandu o nama,pa jos treba da im pomognemo. Ako stvarno treba da se svadjamo da bi se promenili, ajde molim vas na neki drugi nacinm, ne na Internetu i ne na Engleskom.
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Delete Submitted on: May 8, 2007 7:15:30 AM EST
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Comments: To the person who posed this question? Please send an email to Serbs in Sydney with enough information to establish your bone fides. A simple phone number allowing me to contact you would start the process.................Hey Moderator, Do you have a real surface mail address, for some hard information excahnage, for a change?
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Delete Submitted on: May 8, 2007 12:32:04 AM EST
Name: Duki
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Comments: POSLUSAJTE RADIO SRBIJA TRAC, NA 98.5.MHz,SYDNEY, PA CE VAM SVE BITI JASNO!
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 11:55:58 PM EST
Name: Mirko
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Comments: Theives usually send an envoy to reconnoiter the target, before the job. Think back who was the least expected sisnister character there with suspicious pretences? Murky!
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 5:41:06 PM EST
Name: Dusan
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Comments: What is the serbian churches policy on members that have a criminal records who representing the church this is the rule.11 the following persons are not eligible for membership of the church community, person who are not of good fmae and character
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 5:27:01 PM EST
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Comments: mane je tisic
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 4:51:38 PM EST
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Comments: What a tragedy that Djuro did not put his security camera in the Bishop's home
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 4:49:23 PM EST
Name: Milan
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Comments: The question that has to be answered is that if this robbery was not an inside job, why would anyone not associated with the church break in and then steal stuff that can't really be sold on the streets. How many people knew where the Bishop lived? The police should have a short list of suspects, and I am ashamed to say that most of them are members of the clergy!
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 1:49:34 PM EST
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Comments: Over the years I have got yo know djuro's personality well and in saying that, I believe he got one of his thugs to steal the Bishops stuff.
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Delete Submitted on: May 7, 2007 12:06:57 AM EST
Name: Mane
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Comments: Ma jok bolan, Vladika nije smeo da se pojavi, da ga nebi snimili Djurinom kamerom, pa da posalju CIA; da odgovara zasto se druzi sa “bolesnim ekstremnim nacionalistima”, “genocidnim cetnicima” i “ostalim srpskim ratnim zlocincima”, ako dodju tamo!
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Delete Submitted on: May 6, 2007 10:43:50 PM EST
Name: Srboljub
Where do you live? Blacktown
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Comments: I ja sam bio iznenadjen navodima srbinfo, pa sam nazvao osobu koja je bila na crkvenoj slavi. Vladika je bio najavljivan da ce da dodje, a nije ga bilo, a cula se prica da mu je opljackana u subotu noc rezidencija, znaci da u pisanju srbinfo ili ima istine ili je istina
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Delete Submitted on: May 6, 2007 9:04:20 PM EST
Name: Pera
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Comments: Mozeli iko proveriti ako je istina sta sam procitao sledece na srbinfo Voljom Bozijom, prosveceni vladika Irinej administrator eparhije Australijsko novozelandske Novogracanicke mitropolije nazalost nije mogao da prisustvuje crkvenoj slavi u Kabramati jer mu je prethodnog dana opljackana rezidencija, pa nije imao potrebnu odezdu. Bog nas nekad kaznjava, a po nekad i opominje.
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Delete Submitted on: May 6, 2007 10:14:50 AM EST
Name: Lost the faith
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Comments: Dear Vera, I think by now we all realise that Rade's get togethers are nothing but bs. I believe that he hopes some sucker will attend and throw a whole heap of money at the college (so that he can go on more trips) him and his board of directors are being paid a wage and I ask the vladika for what?? What are they doing? Watching the grass grow! And sooner or later we are going to hear that the churches are to be sold because for some reason this grand college of ours is so so important. The vladika is willing to speak to politicians etc., but not willing to sit down, read his e-mails and answer them. The people are worried and confused and his silence has done nothing but fuel rumoursl. I don't think we need to worry about djuro, he seems to be a survivor and he'll no doubt find a job, or maybe he won't even have to, after all he's probably amassed enough to retire on. I beg everyone who reads this site to tell their parents and friends not to give any more money, to any of our churches. Show them that we will not build their bank balances, while our dwindle.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 11:06:00 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: In parting, I leave you with these thoughts: My parents, faithful to Christ and the responsibilities given to them as parents, taught my brothers and I the value of blessings obtained on bended knee, and cautioned us to distance ourselves from those whose goal is self-promotion at any cost and with total disregard of their fellowman, both within the church as well as society at large, less we be corrupted by the same evil desires. I can only hope the faithful will remember “As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD”, for the one thing our church "leaders" can never control is our faith in Christ, and the freedom to worship Him and fellowship one with another wherever we find ourselves. And my prayers are for you, not the church.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:44:37 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: It appears by his actions that Mirko HAS shown us where he has chosen to cast his lot, and for that I would humbly suggest he receive the first SOCAUNZ Milutin award, for passivity and inaction regarding those who would destroy the fellowship of believers through verbal and physical assaults on those questioning the actions of our 'spiritual' and temporal "leaders" at Cabramatta.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:38:21 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: Isn’t it fascinating that this website[SerbsInSydney], whom our illustrious college leader has declared to be a bunch of rubbish, can somehow find the means to provide an English translation of the SOC article about the dedication of that replica, while Rada, Mirko Dobrijevic, and SOCAUNZ can’t stoop to lower themselves to do the same?
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:37:17 PM EST
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Comments: Speaking of consistency, how is it that in camera he can dramatically pound the table and dictate that NO criminal should serve on any church committee/Uprava, then drown us in public silence when the same priest in attendance at that meeting shows up in court to support one of those same church ‘leaders’ who confessed to criminal deeds ON CHURCH PROPERTY – and Mirko deems it appropriate to have his picture taken with that same priest [“the very reverend Djuro Djurdjevic”] 4 days earlier as part of the PR release of the blessing of the hut built in Canberra as a replica of the cabin where Draza Mihailjovic lived worked and planned.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:35:46 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: Observation: If Mirko Dobrijevic cannot stand to communicate with the believers in the SOC in anything but Cyrillic, should he not also set an example and show consistency in his beliefs by speaking ONLY Serbian at his political outings and photo ops while rubbing elbows with various and sundry politicians? [mebbe he would improve his communications and broaden our educational exposures by demonstrating his skills in Sumi-e and oriental water colors – oooops forgot, those are “by commission” only]
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:34:32 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: Observation: Perhaps something got lost in translation, but I never realized that to not use Cyrillic was considered suicidal or uncivilized/barbaric, nor was I aware that my lack of the same condemned me to spiritual death and destruction.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:32:34 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: Fascinating quotes from another "Irinej" - His Grace Bishop Irinej (Bulovic) of Backa stated yesterday that the Serbian alphabet is in danger of becoming extinct and that the task of the government is to protect it. “All European nations nurture their alphabets and it is only the Serbian people that act ruggedly towards Cyrillic. However, this suicidal, uncivilized madness cannot be prevented with only directives but with examples,”... . “Of course we need to know all the forms of the Latin alphabet but not to commit a spiritual genocide on our own.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:30:38 PM EST
Name: JS
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Comments: RETRACTION - Methinks I spoke too soon… “4/11/2006.. A Positive note!!!!” While there have been a few missives posted in English on SOCAUNZ, the numbers and percentages have dwindled rapidly. By my count, starting with the Christmas season 2006 there have been close to 40 “news” events, most highlighting Mirko's persona, published solely in Cyrillic in contrast to but 4 in English. In addition, there have been 7 published in both Cyrillic as well as English, and even their content tweaks thoughts - the archpastoral Christmas messages from Mirko Dobrijevic and the patriarch - the Diocesan Educational Committee formation - the newspaper article on plans for a new church - the Paschal messages Interesting too, Mirko Dobrijevic seemed to find within himself enough command of the English language to have his address in Parliament House on National Serbian day given in English. So much for "cummunicating" with his flock. I guess we need to once again thank Gutenberg, and King James for freeing us from dependency on the priesthood for our access to scriptures.
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 10:26:19 PM EST
Name: JS
Where do you live? Ohio
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Comments: As a start, my apologies on behalf of the commoon folk in Ohio for your having a Cleveland politician foisted onto your church. Believe it or not, there are many here who believe Ohio would be better served were that city to be moved about 10 miles north - and dropped to the bottom of Lake Erie... Next, a retraction...
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 9:10:29 PM EST
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Comments: Hey Moderator, Do you have a real surface mail address, for some hard information excahnage, for a change?
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 7:39:59 PM EST
Name: BRATISAV
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Comments: THEY DON’T CHARGE AS MUCH, UP FRONT, AT CABRAMATTA, BUT THEY HAVE A CREATIVE SCHEME TO RECOUPE THE DIFFERENCE BY CHARGING FOR THE DIRECT VIDEO/PHOTOES GENERATED BY THEIR MONITORING CAMERAS! IT MAY PROVE A LOT MORE COSTLY FOR THE CEREMONY HOSTS, AS THEY AND ALL THEIR GUESTS LOOSE THEIR PRIVACY ON THE LOCAL VIDEO NETWORK. THE EXPENSIVE PART IS, HOW MUCH WILL THE GENERATED PHOTOES AND VIDEOS COST AND WHO CAN GET ACCESS TO THEM? NOW THERE’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EVEN BIGGER EXTORTION! TO BAD IF YOU SERVED WITH CAPTAIN DRAGAN DURING THE WAR AGAINST EXTERMINATION OF SERBS, OR ARE ON ANY OTHER UNDESIRED LIST OF BLACKMAILED SERBS, THE MATERIAL WOULD BE FREELY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL, ie. BOSNIAN FEDERATION, CROATIAN REPUBLIC, THE HAGUE TRIBUNAL, UDBA, etc……., EXCEPT IT WOULDN’T BE FREE, THEY COULD GET MANY HANDSOME SUMS, DEPENDING ON EACH CASE?! NOW THERE’S SOMETHING TO PONDER, OUR BIG SERBIAN BROTHER!
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 2:12:53 PM EST
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Comments: I was just wondering how much do charge for weddings at socijalna federalna republika bosna hercegovacka Kabramata
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Delete Submitted on: May 5, 2007 9:13:58 AM EST
Name: Vera
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Comments: To Lost the Faith. Are you kidding? No amount of Rade's 'get togethers' could possibly pay for the college when he & the other organisers are happily tripping around the world - 1st class & paying themselves wages. Have you noticed that these 'galas' are raising just enough money to cover the costs of the function? They have to meet the interest only loan payments on the land somehow, so what better way to start than to charge a young couple & their families, a fortune just to have a priest lead them tri puta oko stola. I'm just waiting for the Vladika to sanction the wholesale selling off of church property to pay for this college. I wonder what djuro & his thugs will do when Cabramatta church is sold to the local asian population? Become the College treasurer or bookkeeper? He certainly has the expertise for creative accounting.
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Delete Submitted on: May 4, 2007 11:35:04 PM EST
Name: Lost the faith
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Comments: Thank you Stan, you cleared up a lot of unanswered questions. Why are the parishioners of Alexdandria church forced to help build the college. Surely all of Rade's get togethers and dinners should be enough.
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Delete Submitted on: May 4, 2007 5:35:41 PM EST
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Comments: Currently there is a charge of $1000 for a wedding service at Alexandria. Also there is a a $100 donation (compulsary) ontop (total $1100) to the Church Dioses to be paid via money order. The information is correct as I was a guest recently at a weding performed at Alexandria and was told by the groom that this is the requirement and must be paid prior to the service. The $1000 also includes a donation to the church. Apparently a portion of the $1000 fee also goes to St Sava college. Now that can start another can of worms! I find this to be excessive as a donation is meant to be given at free will, there should not be a required amount that is expected. If this sort of money was donated from businesses then that is fair enough. However the church is asking for this type of money to be paid by 20 somethings. FYI Cabramatta church charges $150 for the sevice and the donation is up to you.
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Delete Submitted on: May 4, 2007 9:36:22 AM EST
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Comments: I don't care what happens to Borovina, because he is just a common thug. However, where does the church stand on attending court, especially for someone that was so clearly in the wrong. Another example of djuro telling us that he will do as he chooses. So we are to gather from this that it is ok for us to attack others who do not agree with our point of view because we will have the priest there to back us up. A good lesson to teach our children. Also it's been a long time since any of my family have given money to cabra church, and precisely for this reason. My hard earned dollars WILL NOT support djuro and his band. Vladika, why are you standing back and letting all this happen?
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Delete Submitted on: May 3, 2007 10:13:17 PM EST
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Comments: "The day in court was made that much more enjoyable for Slavko Borovina, because he came to the steps of the courthouse with the support of his leader Fr Djuro Djurdjevic..." WOW! Now this REALLY should be published on SOCAUNZ!!! After all, we have the entire group of key leaders at Cabramatta participating in a public function - which seems to be one of the prime directives for making headlines on SOCAUNZ. And, since the others are heading for even more extensive public interaction[in court] perhaps even our bishop will join with Djuro for another great photo op - he seems to enjoy being in the public eye, particularly when it comes to elected officials - and what better way to show his approval and support of all the labors of his beloved Djuro than to stand at his side in times of such unfair oppression and trial[s]. Come on Mirko Dobrijevic, it's time to show all of us and the world your leadership capabilities and exactly where you stand!!!!
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Delete Submitted on: May 3, 2007 9:54:56 PM EST
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Comments: The sentencing of Borovina was way too light, but I find it interesting that the judge said Borovina has to pay for any damages to property. You all realise of course, these payments are going to come out of the church coffers, so why are you all lamenting this fact? JS is right, why do you go to church, buy the candles, put money on the icons & tacna/plate, buy a coffee/rakija etc. when you KNOW it's all going into Djuro's pocket & supporting these criminals? I & my family have, on occasion been going to church, but we haven't been listening to the dronings of Satan in the alter & we don't spend 1 cent. I am the first person to give to charity, but not one that lines the pockets of criminals, liars & drunks.
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Delete Submitted on: May 3, 2007 10:01:12 AM EST
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Comments: Disgruntled, are you serious? Are you telling all of us that a priest is worth $1000 for twenty minutes worth of work? I know that there is a list of prices for the services provided by the church and I accept that, and if anyone wants to donate $1000 to the church or to the priest then that's up to them. But to be told that you have to pay $1000 before the service can start sounds a bit suspicious. I don't know of anyone who goes to the church to get married and expects to pay $1000 for a twenty minute service.
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Delete Submitted on: May 3, 2007 12:14:09 AM EST
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Comments: SVIMA DRUGOVIMA INTERNACINALE CESTITA SE 1 MAY, A DRUGOVIMA PODRUZNE UDBE CESTITAMO NA DOBRO SMISLJENOM, OBAVLJENOM I SVRSENOM ZADATKU KOJI U EMIGRACIJI NIJE USPEVAO SKORO 60 GODINA. SADA MOZETE DA SPIJUNIRATE I KONTROLISETE DO MILE VOLJE I SVE INFORMACIJE DA SALJETE U DOMOVINSKE BIROE U HRVATSKOJ, BOSNI, I OSTALIM BIVSE JUGOSLOVENSKIM REPUBLIKAMA, ZA OBRADU! DA VAM JE TITO ZIV, AL BI BIO SRETAN. OVAKO VAM U TOM SMISLU NEMA NIKAKVE NAGRADE!
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Delete Submitted on: May 3, 2007 12:02:16 AM EST
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Comments: Giving money to the (priest)? That’s a highly qualified and subjective statement! So what does a modern day priest mean in the terminology and tradition of the Serbian Orthodox Church? Why is it that the modern priests have become to appear more like gypsy musicians at a local fair? Is it because they now operate on the same principle – “Kol’ko para tol’ko muzike!”? Is it the more you pay, the more blessing and longerlasting? Where’s their own blessing in that?
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Delete Submitted on: May 2, 2007 11:39:34 PM EST
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Comments: $1000 should be the bar minimum for the wedding. Why is the most important part - the actual wedding service - the most underlooked part. Heck you people spend $20000 on a reception and all that rubbish, but you wont give money to the Church. If giving that kind of money is an issue then why not cut back on somem of those ridiculous nececirties like limos and musicians etc.. I fyou have a problem with giving the mon ey to the priest tell him that will make a donation to the Church or the Diocese and copy in the Diocese secretary so he can register a donation.
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Delete Submitted on: May 2, 2007 10:00:47 PM EST
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Comments: Additional questions to ponder: 1.What is it Djuro and his cohorts have hidden that requires such protection? 2.What is the one type of vote that Djuro and his cohorts cannot ignore?[Answer: parishioners voting with their pocketbooks. They thrive ONLY if everyone is willing to faithfully continue giving their tithes - remember, your tithes are supposed to serve God, not the Devil.] 3.How much longer are you going to tithe knowing your efforts in being faithful are corrupted by those monies supporting the work Djuro and his associates on behalf of Satan, whose glee comes from the destruction of the basic purpose Christ gave for the church "where two or three are gathered together in MY name, there am I in the midst of them"???? I would suggest the time is now to cast your collective vote - and STOP providing funding for Djuro....
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Delete Submitted on: May 2, 2007 9:47:14 PM EST
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Comments: "SKRIVENA KAMERA" u Sabornom Hramu u Kabramati Observation... I notice that the SOCAUNZ web site continues to post all sorts of news of current events of our local churches, and that SrbInfo has already published this article on their website. I wonder... perhaps the editor here should forward this article to our 'freedom'-loving bishop - surely he would gladly publish such news published on the SOCAUNZ website, telling the whole world of how he is bringing the churches under his command into the 21st century through trust and communication.... and wouldn't Tito be proud of his offspring????
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Delete Submitted on: May 2, 2007 9:44:48 AM EST
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Comments: Djuro Djurdjevic is such an honest, thruthful and God fearing man that he had to instaul the cameras. It"s not necessary for what he says but to protect himsels. One day his devious work will get him into a lot of hot water and that will come from his own today protectors(goons). They are as crooked as he is. They wouldn't know how to wipe their noses without Djuro telling them how and Djruo the psychopath loves people like that. As how much did the cameras cost? why should it bother Djuro and Uprava, Church has a lot of money and there is no one to stop them. They have spend hundreds and theousands of churches money so what's extra few thousand $ more. We can bet our bottom dollar if Djuro and Uprava paing with their own money it would be a different matter. Djuros' bag is full of $ and securely lock up he dosn't part easily with his own money. Ponder on this question, why does his mantija have deep pockets and wears it at all times ?
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Delete Submitted on: May 2, 2007 9:36:19 AM EST
Name: Lost the faith
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Comments: Mira, why would they care how much it costs, they're not paying for it we are and it's obvious that neither djuro nor the uprava care about us. What's in it for them is their catch cry. Money talks, it always has, it's just that only now we are realising how much.
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Delete Submitted on: May 1, 2007 9:45:17 PM EST
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Comments: What a ridiculous stunt cameras all around a Church and a monitor in the Altar, Djuro has gone to far. On what grounds would the uprava allow Djuro to have a monitor in the Altar surely is it possible that this uprava will give in to all of his demands. How much did this cost us parohijane?
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Delete Submitted on: April 28, 2007 9:13:50 PM EST
Name: Faith
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Comments: History demonstrates that our national identity grew and was always defended within and from the Balkan forests. Current collective problem of the myopic descendants is that they cannot see the forest for the rotten tree in front of them! Stemming from the current and continuing apostatic fiascoes, there are a few pertinent and more important questions to ponder: 1. It is a fact that there is a person impersonating a Serbian Orthodox Priest in Alexandria who does not speak Serbian, nor has he come from the Serbian clergy. Who has blessed his participation in the same and how and on what grounds does he qualify to be in such a position? 2. Who has ordained him in such a holly position, when, how and who took part in the same? As the very process requires to have been publicly known to all faithful, to be blessed accordingly? 3. Was that really a voluntary payment, or better still is it ever such or a form of psychological and spiritual blackmail and extortion, disguised by the administration in the process of fixing the books subsequently? 4. There is one book they cannot cook, which clearly condemns the same unblessed actions as a serious sin. Clergy should adhere to what they read and profess fron the Holly Bible! 5. There are other civil books, which clearly and distinctly condemn such actions as illegal secret commissions, which extrapolate to more serious charges! PLEASE EXPLAIN, IN THE NAME OF RELIGIOUS EDIFICATION AND EDUCATION! BECAUSE WE REALLY AREN’T PRIMITIVE BALKAN BARBARIAN FOREST DWELLERS, WHO SIMPLY WISH TO OPRESS THE “FREEDOMFIGHTING” WESTERN DEMOCRATS!
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Comments: Pera, the question was is it true, which means the writer wanted to know if it was true. There was no rekla kazala just a simple question. I too believe that if $1000 was charged it's too much, but yes as you said if it was a donation then that's up to the whoever is paying it. As I do not attend Alexandria church I don't know and can't answer the question, maybe someone else can.
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Comments: I'd like to know who started this rekla kazala story and before giving it any credence let's confirm what took place at Alexandria, directly from the wedding party. They can quickly let us know the truth as to what was paid and for what reason. Whether the $1000 was paid, as a donation or in response to a quoted price makes a vast difference. Remember, get the facts first before passing any judgement on what's happened.The rumour mill is working overtime again
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Delete Submitted on: April 27, 2007 11:53:33 PM EST
Name: Vostani Servie
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Comments: Orthodox Church in Alexandria? Serbian Wedding? Serbian Tradition? Serbian Liturgy? Serbian priest? Doesn’t understand Serbian? Charges $1000 for the heresy? With whose blessings? Caveat emptor! Magnum Opus! Quod foetet? Magnus frater spectat te! Quo usque tandem abutere, fratri, patientia nostra? Quo vadis Servie?!
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Comments: Is it true that the priest at Alexandria charged $1000 for a 20 minute wedding last weekend (that was done half in english because the priest did not understand Serbian properly)? If true it sounds a little excessive.
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Name: Milorad Trkulja
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Comments: Cudo da ima gori budala od mene. Sto kradete moj posao? Ja sam taj koji treba da se svadja sa popovima i da pronalazim kriminalce a ne vi.
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Comments: GLORY TO THE SERBS
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Comments: STA CETE KAD AMERIKANSKI EKUMENISTI JOS NEZNAJU ZASTO SRPSKI VLADIKA TREBA DA BUDE U MANASTIRU A NE U KAFANI ILI KOCKARNICI!
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Comments: Just heard that the Vladika did not attend the property trust meeting at the manastir, worst still they did not open the church for these people to light a candle. Also it's rumoured that Dusanka Timotic had called a number of the ladies of the KSS and told them not to attend. The Vladika was busy elsewhere, he had attended a zabava at Bonnyrigg. Obviously that's more important.
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Comments: Great news this may give you folks something to think about Udruzenje Boraca GRANVILLE HAD A SPECIAL MEMORIAL DAY today to comemorate all past and present Presidents. a memorial plaque inscribed with photos of all past Presidents was unveiled by Mr Ilija Bolta and Mr.Nikola Popovic current president. The function was attended by Members and guests from the Serbian Pensioners association, who regularly use the premises on thursdays at the Associations Memorial hall 99 Good street granville as a social meeting place for folk dancing and get togather.we are proud to be associated with our Senior Citizens. and welcome new Pensioners to join us. Congratulations Mr, Nikola and his associates on a Job well done.
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Comments: Ooooooops.. sorry - didn't realize this site doesn't handle the Cyrillic script - but then I suppose a cryptic message in numbers is of comparable value to most of us...
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Comments: Another example of the drive for communication skills of SOC??? From it's current website... check it out... ВАСКРШЊА ПОСЛАНИЦА 2007. PASCHAL MASSAGE 2007 Isn't it nice to know someone in SOC realizes there are a few members who may be more familiar with English than Cyrillic??? Wonder who does their translations... Djuro perhaps???
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Comments: MP, treba da nam bude nesta jasno i to je da me nemamo nikako pravo. Sta ti kaze Pop ili Vladika tako mora da bude. Dali je istina ili nije mi nesmemo da pitamo. Oni ocedu da mi zatvorimo oci i da klimamo glave. Ali problem je da pojedini to necedu i to nevalje, smeta jim. Ja cu i dalje da se molim Bogu (ja mislim da moj Bog o njihov nije isti) i ako idem u crkve svoje pare ostavljam kod kuce (oni imaju milioni a mi smo obicni radnici). Irinej zna da ima problem i ne samo u jednoj crkvi nego skoro u sve ali on to nece da vidi, on ima naredenje iz Beograda i to mora da se realizuje.
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Comments: Dvojica vladika SPC za Australiju imaju Sastanke sa svestenstvom radi resavanja velikih problema : milionske korupcije u skolama Bolta i Sv. Sava, crkve bez svestenika, svadje medju svestenstvom, sudski procesi, nehriscansko ponasanje pojedinih svestenika ... ali ne resavaju nista, prvi Milutin odlazi posle 3 godine, a novi Irinej, dolazi i na identican nacin jednostavno ignorise sve probleme, ide na balove, posecuje Parlament, mesa se Ambasadoru u posao, na sastanku sa popovima jednostavno zakljucuje da nema nikakvih problema i da treba osnovati jos vise Obdanista, proizvesti od svestenika nekoliko novih menadzera -direktora! Molim pametnog coveka da analizira ove izvestaje
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Comments: These are the words taken from Bishop Irinej's archpastoral paschal message...."Therefore, Christ’s sacrifice and victory over death are both a summons to truth, which shall set us free (cf. John 8:32) and a challenge to liberate the good that is within us—for our sake and for the salvation of all creation. For only Christ’s crucifixion on The Cross reveals the true meaning of the human condition, of test and temptation and, of suffering that leads to life itself." These words are not just for worshippers and true believers, but ought to apply to the clergy as well
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Comments: If i was not clear about what was done by Djuro and the UPRAVA mafia.All they have done is create a subcommittee in the UPRAVA made up of women, who are their wives and girlfriends. This action does not create another KSS. The KSS is still in place and is run by the Angela, Radmila and Dora.There are no legal means for the UPRAVA or the Church to steal their money.
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Comments: Vera, the things you talk about, such as attending one another's meetings certainly took place in the past. These meetings took place "in the spirit of cooperation and a willingness to work together. There was NEVER any compulsion for this to take place and clearly the KSS do not have to seek approval from the managing committee of the UPRAVA for ANY of their actions. It is worth pointing out that Ignjatic and Djuro made a decision a long time ago to boycott the meetings of the KSS and start the process of propoganda against their executive.I agree the problem is the current group of thugs that are in power. The solution no longer rests with the people, but with our Bishop Irinej. If he continues to look the other way, he will be tarred with the same brush and will be part of the problem rather than the solution. Let us pray that he listens to our cries.I was so optimistic when he arrived, but am starting to see a man who "talked the talk" but has so far failed to "walk the walk".so sad!!!
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Comments: Pera, now you are talking about interpretations & the status quo for years prior to relatively recent developments. Agreed, the KSS has been somewhat independent of the Uprava, but only because the latter felt they had more important things to worry about than 'affairs of the kitchen'. The Uprava President was always invited to & attended, KSS meetings & vice versa & both committees worked together. Since the ignjatic lead Uprava came into power, where they & djuro discovered the KSS had money that could be used for their personal gain, after their own coffers were emptied, this harmony was destroyed & hence the current problems. The only way to bring harmony back to the Cabramatta church community is to get rid of the rot, ie djuro, his mafia & elect an Uprava made up of honest & God fearing people.
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Comments: Vera, Without getting too emotional about paragraph 42. This paragraph lists various committees as well as the Ladies auxiliary which is not a committee.The Ldies Auxiliary (KSS) is an independent association in its own right. Then paragraph 42 goes on to clarify that abovementioned committees shall not be regarded as independent bodies etc. This is what you'd expect from the committees that are listed.After all these are committees that are formed by the Managing Committee/AGM to perform tasks on behalf of the membership.This paragraph does not embrace the KSS, since although its listed as (f)in the list, the KSS hardly comes under the description of an abovementioned committee, since it is not a committee.QED
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Comments: Marko Petrovic is no longer treasurer, Hi knows that the sh@# is going to hit the fan
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Comments: My goodness, Pera. Have you got it wrong. Go to the Cabramatta Church Constitution & read paragraph 42, subheadings f & h. The KSS is NOT an independent body of the church & they require the sanction of the Managing Committee (Uprava)for all decisions affecting their activties. It's unfortunate that the volovi in the Uprava have no idea what they are doing, let alone give guidance to the KSS, resulting in the legal KSS loosing faith in these bufoons with djuro locking them out of the kitchen & all other church activties - except, of course, if they wanted to donate to the church, then they are more than welcome to be part of this activity. Yes the KSS managing committee are answerable to their membership, but no-where does it state in the Constitution that the Uprava has the right to dissolve the KSS & create a new one consisting of their wives, girlfriends, mistresses etc. paragraph 31 addresses this issue. Would you like me to continue?
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Comments: vera, the uprava has created a group of women to do women's work for them. This group does not replace the KSS who are an organisation that is answerable to its own membership.The KSS is an independent association that does not answer to the UPRAVA.
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Comments: To all the committee from Cabramatta, priest come and go, but we live here, and need to attend church with brotherly love, so remember why you are part of the church committee and the words of Patriarch Pavle, "We must remain with Christ and refrain from any hatred, from any bitterness. ... Those who inflict evil upon others do even more so to themselves," Hristos voskrese - Vistina voskrese
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Comments: The head of the Serbian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Pavle, "We must remain with Christ and refrain from any hatred, from any bitterness. ... Those who inflict evil upon others do even more so to themselves,"
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Comments: A clue as to the FREE SOC Cabramatta??? - the most recent posting to SOCAUNZ includes pictures of Djuro, robed in an emperor's royal purple, and serving as Irinej's right-hand man... One might think our bishop has no taste - or perhaps it's just that his tastes includes exhaltation of corruption...
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Comments: Well said Vera, djuro does what he likes as there is no one to stop him. There is only one KSS and that's the one that was suspended from the church. These are the ladies that worked hard and brought palacinke, sandwiches etc., from home to sell at the church. These so called ladies that are at the church now are wives of the uprava members like Dragan Savic's wife Radica. Where were these women a few years ago? Now they call themselves the KSS. They should be DSS (djuro's srpske sestre). We should also ask ourselvs are all of these women Serbs???
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Comments: Pero, do you realise what you have written? Quote: "Djuro has created a ladies auxiliary committee that is answerable to the Uprava. Neither the Uprava or Djuro can create a KSS" You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Since when have the rules ever mattered to djuro? He makes them up as he goes along & when questioned, you get nothing but lies. As long as there are idiots & Bosanci in the church, this stupidity will continue. Just remember, the Antichrist is the devil with a Bible in his hand.
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Delete Submitted on: April 6, 2007 6:59:38 AM EST
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Comments: There is only one KSS and that's the one elected by the members..Djuro has created a ladies auxiliary committee that is answerable to the Uprava. Neither the Uprava or Djuro can create a KSS. The rules do not allow it!
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Comments: Danny, are you talking about the real KSS or the KSS elected by djuro and his cronies? There is a difference.
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Comments: Dear Serb in relation to your comments I am worried about the Church in which direction it's heading and iam worried about the biased comments given on this site we should all be equal fair go to all who participate in Church affairs this includes the ladies who are members of KSS and have given their many hours in support of the Church and monestery thank you.
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Comments: Danny, get over yourself, can't you see that no one is interested in what you have to say. No one cares about these two women who were at granville for only one reason. You should be worried about your church and the goings on there.
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Comments: Serb,The women from Granville did not get the oppertunity to excersice their right to a hearing before the Sud Casti regarding allegations made against them. nor did they ever receive correspondence from the Udruzenje informing them that the Zenska sekcija was wound up. Cwomen's auxilliary) The question that is the issue in this matter why did some officials travel to Manly branch to transfer the monies over sounds like an outsider was operating very suspicious dealings in the Granville Honchoes.
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Comments: Serb who is the Master that you are refering to when you talk about the women from granville Danny
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Comments: SO HERE WE ARE LIVING IN THE NEW AGE ECUMENIC CHRISTIAN “SERBIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH” AND SUFFERING FROM ITS PHARISEE ADMINISTRATORS! THE CLERGY BLESSES THE BARBARIC THUG TO BEAT UP A FAITHFULL BELEIVER AND THEN THEY CONDEMN AND EXPELL THE SAME VICTIM FROM THE FLOCK! SOUNDS FAMILIAR? IS THIS WHAT ECUMENISM WISHES TO ACHEIVE AND PROMOTE? WELL, PONTIUS PILATE WAS A BARABARIAN PAGAN, BUT HE DID HAVE DECENCY TO SAY THAT HE DIDN’T SEE ANY SIN IN HIS VICTIM. WERE IT NOT FOR THE INIQITOUS SELF RIGHTEOUS RELIGIOUS PHARISEES, OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONDEMEND TO DEATH. GOD HAVE MERCY UPON US, RISE AGAIN AND SAVE US FROM THE INIQUITOUS HYPOCRATIC PHARISEE-CLERGY WITHIN OUR CHURCH!
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Comments: Dear Serb, thanks for giving me the best laugh i'd had in a while. And we all know that the cabra church is full of 'bolovi'.
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Comments: "BOLOVI" TO TI JE BONA, BOLAN NOVI BOSANSKI IZRAZ NA BOSANKOM JEZIKU ZA VOLE IZ BOSNE! ZNACI: B(osanski) VOLOVI!!!!!
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Comments: NOT BOLOVI THE WORD IS VOLOVI=BOSANCHEROS OF CABRAMATTA
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Comments: BOLOVI
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Comments: THE BOSANCHEROS IN CABRAMATTA DESERVED THE NAME VOLOVI AS THEY ARE ALL EMPTY HEADS
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Comments: To Serb, how correct you are, these women were once at Lazarica,(got kicked out of there) then they went to Granville and now they have infiltrated Cabramatta Church as the new KSS. We know these women are in with djuro and no one feels sorry for them.
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Comments: danny your friends are not only made them selfs comfortable in cabramatta but they go to any organisation and do there dirty work under the masters orders
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Comments: Danny, are these two women your friends?? sounds like they are. Don't worry about them being expelled from Granville, they are settling in quite nicely at Cabramatta Church with their friends like Djuro, Rajko and Dragan.
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Comments: thesewomenyouaretakingaboutaretwoofdurjoscroniesfirstofalltheyhadameetingatgranvilleandbothsidesagreedforthemoneytobeputinoneacounttheverynextdaythesesametwocalledthepoliceandtoldthemthatthepresidetstolethemoneysoundfamilja
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Delete Submitted on: March 31, 2007 7:47:41 PM EST
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Comments: Whats going on in Granville"Udruzenje Tvoraca" they expelled two female menbers because they wrote to the bishop complaining That the Womens Auxiliary Funds been transfered without their knowlege into the Udruzenje account. and futher more Udruzenje closed the Womens aux.sounds like the Church Saga
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Comments: Observations from the Consititution: [1]MEMBERSHIP at Cabramatta is at the discretion of the managing committee, and is supposedly predicated on two items (a) being of the orthodox faith[determined by a priest I assume] (b) having written support of two current members, and (c) paying membership fees. [2]DUTIES of members include (a) participation in church services and functions, (b) attendance of general meetings, (c) support of the management committee’s [perspective of] the church’s moral and material well-being, and (d) use the church priest [as opposed to another] for all religious activities. While there are multiple grounds listed giving the managing committee the right to revoke membership of members, there is no provision other than a annual or emergency general meeting, that allows the membership to remove any officer, and those meetings are controlled by the managing committee. The fatal flaw in this constitution is that when it was written it was ASSUMED that a person BEING of the orthodox faith PRACTICED that faith in every aspect of their daily lives, and who would place the church above all their personal goals. – True then, but true now???? This I suggest is but one of the reasons a higher authority[in this case the Vladika and diocesan council] is needed to step in to the gap and remove the rot and corruption that has infested the current secular and ‘spiritual' "leadership" at Cabramatta. That in turn requires the assumption that those with higher authority practice what they preach. Unfortunately, at this point one can but hope and pray such is true - because to date, the silence from that quarter is deafening....
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Comments: In answer to ANOTHER QUESTION, obviously in Cabramatta it is acceptable, if not avisable to be a criminal, have a criminal mind or want to be a criminal, these are the ones that djuro welcomes into his church. Posteni ljudi are not allowed anywhere near the membership papers for these are the ones that would ask the questions and that is not acceptable.
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Comments: Under the New Gracanica Constitution or any other; can a person that has a criminal record, current criminal proceedings for indicatble offences, be a financial member of a church-school community? Furthermore, can they be members of the committee, vote at meetings and act as the officials or agents of or on behalf of the management (Uprava) or the parish Cleric – especially when involved in actions with sinister motives.?!
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Comments: Answer to the question below: One would certainly qualify to be an honorary member of any "church" in the trendy Ecumenical flock. Any Ecumenists against that?
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Comments: PSALMS CHAPTER 2 1 ¶ Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 ¶ I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10 ¶ Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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Comments: Audio Bible Banner PSALMS CHAPTER 1 1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 ¶ The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
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